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Tragic Gray State fallout: "Sandy Hook Hoaxer" stalker troll squad turns against Minnesota Truthers & late filmmaker David Crowley's family & friends in bizarre twist

If you want to help stop acting crazy so we can tell our loved ones that there is nothing to worry about. All the conspiracy buzz is freaking them out. They are afraid some of you lunatics are gonna come for them thinking we are covering stuff up.
One of late director David Crowley's friends begging the hoaxers to lay off before the funeral

One of the more disgusting displays I've ever seen on the Internet has gone down in the last week or so, with a bunch of creepy cats and sockpuppets emerging seemingly from nowhere to disparage the friends and family of the late David Crowley, a Minnesota alternative filmmaker who investigators currently believe shot himself as well as his wife and daughter. Unfortunately today this has escalated into veiled threats against at least one of Crowley's friends as well, a horrible display.

To cut a long and stupid story short, the core of this network of people are best known as the "Sandy Hook Hoaxers" who have now latched onto a new tragedy to wrap themselves in and give their lives meaning. Until now, I've never seen gangstalking instigated against Truthers after a tragedy, even before the funerals. These are the very same key people who have been harassing various families in Newtown Connecticut, generally creeping and making fools of themselves. They are the operators of Sandy Hook Hoax facebook group and friends.

While both the Sandy Hook shooting and the unfortunate demise of David Crowley & his family are both tragic and weird, these tragedies are seized upon by really unbalanced people who go crusading around after whoever they can find, in an effort to draw attention to themselves.

This mob of sick troll behavior also quite effectively wrecks the efforts of more principled "citizen investigators" or Truthers that attempt to discern the truth in these matters, not continuously verbally abuse the townspeople so to speak. This could be termed "poisoning the well" or "muddying the waters". Nowadays even people Obama cites in speeches get this treatment.

//// UPDATE 1/29: Brandan Hunt reiterates some points (w credits to this post) on a Youtube video which seems an accurate summary. Thanks! ////

A "poisoning the well" example in Sandy Hook: many of these hoaxers latched onto the memes and frame of "dallasgoldbug" who is notorious for claiming political figures are actually actors, like Steve Buscemi is actually Terrence McKenna for example. This delusion got thrown at seemingly everyone in Newtown CT, which also effectively helps poison research on the issue should covert operators actually use 'crisis actors' in some shady event.

Naturally this same delusion got directed at Crowley's friends and acquaintances - for some reason these people with the yellow 9/11 USA avatars are seemingly devoid of discernment and decency:

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So-called "Justice for David Crowley & family" group run by full fruitbats: The Sandy Hook Hoaxer trolls are flocking to this new tragedy. Here, for example, the sole group administrator, Daniel Michael Hennen of Chaska, says that Crowley's friends, on Instagram sharing a laugh together on the same day they did media interviews on two local networks, are "the four guys who have the 'most to gain' from David Crowley NOT being alive. Let that sink in." and "...They have the most to gain with david six feet under, that's all." [Not run by the same person as this other page, which is not attacking the family or friends]

Hennen is essentially unknown to Crowley's friends, but has started a whole bunch of "Justice for X" groups of which he is always the sole administrator. This group is by far the most popular with 700+ people. Here he's attempting to demonize Crowley's friends using a favorite old Sandy Hook theory that bereaved people apparently never smile again. ("it takes me back to the Sandy Hook days…" as he tries to live within that tragedy's fallout.)

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The day before, Hennen posited that Crowley's brother was "jealous" and therefore had a major motive to murder his own brother and his family. And earlier today he said that one of Crowley's close friends "certainly needs his ass kicked." Hennen's kept the innuendoes against David's brother rolling today:

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Here is today's veiled threat against Crowley's friend Sean - I'm posting the both the folded and unfolded versions:


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On this thread first it's worth noting that Minnesotan Michael Okishoff has some criminal convictions for domestic issues (and not surprisingly tried to order around female group members in private chats). Okishoff is also attempting to raise money in a GoFundMe he claims will ultimately be turned over for family medical bills, as a clone of a legitimate fundraising campaign Crowley's brother started.

Here we have the Sandy Hook Hoaxer rabbit hole of madness: As noted last May by CW Wade, Thomas Lapp has been cited as involved in cyberstalking Newtown parents and children, as well as his friend Tony Mead, also highly active on this group. Dan Hennen wrote a piece defending flagship hoaxer Wolfgang Halbig in March 2014. Wolfgang apparently briefly checked into this new group and then bounced.

Another Sandy Hook alt media writer, Brandan Hunt, traced Wolfgang Halbig's operations and circle of troll friends: SANDY HOOK: Wolfgang Halbig is a LIAR (Video Presentation, Transcript + Downloads) - Brendan Hunt.com. Halbig has adeptly scammed people who hope that some light can be shed on Sandy Hook.

Unfortunately apparently Jim Fetzer has been all over this bad behavior with Sandy Hook as well, embarrassing more respectful alternative researchers. Apparently he started promoting dallasgoldbug ages ago.

If anything the accusations and paranoia leveled by Hennen, Lapp and Mead resemble when another horrible middle aged hoaxer, Rick Santilli, accused Jim Fetzer of a role in murdering a Truther in Uptown Minneapolis several years ago, which I found appalling (and almost finished writing a post about shortly after it happened).

These kind of crazy accusations against other researchers and their friends is part of how this bitter conspiracy troll class seems to bond, and the more people call them out, the more they bunker up into their own worldview. More Sandy Hook links below...

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Sean messaged me the same block message and suggests that we not engage Hennen or his hoaxer friends anymore, and instead go with the copypasta. I am including Sean's message here so it's not lost in the shuffle - linebreaks added for clarity:

dan michael hennen you coward... you take a few sentences of our conversation and share that why would you not share the whole thing... Like I said on the phone respect and rights are 2 completely different things, and when it comes to this you have neither. I will not let you get me angry, you do not have that power nor the respect to even let you cloud my thoughts through all of this. What I am happy to see is the true friends of mine, family and gray state team who have put countless hours to try and reason with your delusional false empathetic gestures.

But obviously you are a sociopath and unable to decipher with rational reason or emotion. I most feel sorry for your children. a message to all who are trying to rationalize with this psychotic please do not waste your time he is in this only to fulfill his sick needs of torment and has lacked the ability to deal with his inner demons im sure that he is sick and needs help. even through his hatred and disrespect for this situation I still have hope for him that he will one day learn respect and honor, for the only reason is that you have children. You are so lucky I am where I am mentally and have only strived to improve myself daily that I will never be the reason you look over your shoulder.

I cannot speak for others but all you have done is put yourself as the target for misguided anger, I pray that no one would ever harm you as that would be against the crowleys wishes and disappoint me. as far as any and all of my friends please do as I and the family and friends are doing and ignore these trolls. Dan is the one who has to look at himself and tho he might not see any of his actions as wrong that is just an apparent red flag is his sickness. Sean Wright, family friend of David Komel and Raniya

/// I sean Wright Give Dan Feidt full permission to troll Dan hennen with my comment and think this will be enough to get him to stop but we do not need to waste any of our time on him other than clicking "control v" that is all the respect he deserves, he does not deserve any actualy intellectual responses from any of us please keep our anger harnessed as it will only fulfill his sick mind. Thank you respectfully Sean Wright 1/25/2014

Before I realized that this was the Sandy Hook Hoaxer troll squad I posted the following to the group, a few days ago:

The statement from the group admin "In some circles, HE committed the crimes." referring to someone in Crowley's immediate family is a dangerous and defamatory statement to peg on the internet especially when David's actual real-world friends have warned plenty of times that they and the family are worried about unbalanced people coming after them. This followed an ad hominem attack saying anyone who doesn't believe it wasn't a murder/suicide is missing something obvious to a 5th grade education.

Detaching from reality and asserting an alternate one "In some circles, HE committed the crimes" as opposed to stating "some circles believe that" is defamatory and makes the situation more dangerous. There are mentally ill people sucked into this thing now and if you don't put some boundaries, especially defamation of family members, things are going to get worse, not better, and that is shameful.

Making ad hominem attacks about people who don't buy these speculative storylines peddled around all week is also the shortcut to failing to achieve any "truth" or justice and the lack of class shown in this moment is appalling.

Sean posted this back on the 22nd, before things got even crazier (check the thread from hell):

Please stop with the accusations of an inside job, and its our right to upload video thats not your work. Trolling is pointless. Us friends and fam have issued statements, met w press, and have been very accomodating due to the suspiciousness of the tragic events which took place. To settle the trolls:

Not a conspiracy of murder.

David did not receive 30 mil.

Not going to confirm any facts of the investigation until its complete and delivered to family.

The rise was only rough cut for a reason it was never meant to be publicly viewed. He put that up 2 years so we could help him with stuff he needed input on.

The 2nd cut and 3 are way different than the rough cut.

The finsl cut is what david wanted released and that will come out in time, first we must bury our friends and let the investigation take place there is a ton of information to go thru and so much more piling in daily. I have faith in the detectives working this case as does the family and rest of close friends.

We are not covering anything up.

We are carefully sharing what we can. We need to get access to all the pages to insure accurate information is released.

Too many people are trying to get their name out in vein of this event. david was on bring of many projects (cant disclose publicly and cuz of all that is going on from speculation you see why)

Only facts out is they went out painlessly and not a conspiracy. Please stop with the nonsense its scaring our loved ones and we have been so busy we have not even been able to begin to grieve. Its not fair to us.

If you want to help stop acting crazy so we can tell our loved ones that there is nothing to worry about. All the conspiracy buzz is freaking them out. They are afraid some of you lunatics are gonna come for them thinking we are covering stuff up.

Please have class and respect for the dead if not for me then please for the families of the deceased.

I had to tell my daughter her friend and whole family died. She was only able to smile when i told her paleo is ok. Stop scaring my loved ones. Put urself in our shoes how could you handle this better than we are i would love to know (not).

Danny August Mason Adam Shambour Mason Norsk Hest and have not had a second to grieve. Please give us the same respect the families deserve. Please respect david komel and rani and their families.

today we did 2 interviews w msm, that was shadowed by the release of the rough cut. Tomorrow ben swann interview. Family set up fund raiser and taking care of funerals wakes and everything else that has to be done.

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Earlier vultures perch: I thought it was contemptible that Kevin Barrett immediately blamed the Mossad for this tragedy via Iranian state media PressTV site, without a particle of evidence. The ever-trashy Southern Poverty Law Center of course has a field day with all the fruitbattery and re-posting Crowley's videos under "hatewatch". Of course SPLC cites the stalker/hoaxer Thomas Lapp to prove their overall persistent point, that generally alt-media people are dangerous and prone to inducing violence.

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Other Sandy Hook related material: For example this enters into the topic of the Sandy Hook Hoaxers and their military intelligence links: Sandy Hook Stalkers | Tracking the Vultures and Predators of the Sandy Hook Elementary School Massacre - a number of specific hoaxes they've run in the Sandy Hook context. Hoaxers Put Sandy Hook Parents in Their Crosshairs | Sandy Hook Stalkers

Wolfgang’s Bad Company « Memory Hole: A prominent researcher on Sandy Hook James F Tracy explained that shadowy people tried to get him to peddle the crisis actors meme, and when he turned them down, then they started putting Wolfgang at the head of the hoaxer troll pack. Unfortunately he gave stalker Tony Mead space on his site in July as well, but this is probably the first thing worth reading about this mess:

"Those in the 9/11 Truth movement are well aware of the “cognitive infiltrators” who are only too happy to harness a loose cannon or two that will sabotage or otherwise hinder the genuine remedy of collective intelligence. I am aware that at least one of the parties who misinformed me is now operating as Wolfgang Halbig’s handler."

Via Brandan Hunt (xrayultra): EXPOSED - The Secret Troll Network Preying on the Truth Movement: Montagraph, October Reignz, CaliberHitter… "Try your best not to internalize their bullshit. Instead, speak out, but don’t spend any more of your precious time exposing these freaks than is absolutely necessary. It will distract you from the good work you do, and indeed, that is the goal." Great advice. Also: Sandy Hook Truth Movement takeover by Disinfo Agents & Morons - YouTube

Sandy Hook Hoax admins are LIARS [Videos + Transcript] - Brendan Hunt:

"folks who are posing as truth-seekers and online researchers, but are actually injecting disinformation into the communities that are looking into 9/11, the JFK assassination, and things like Sandy Hook…. Lenny Pozner’s recent editorial on Sandy Hook truthers which singled out Tony Mead and Wolfgang Halbig as some of the more toxic individuals in the community. I’m not saying I trust Pozner at all, but since the truther community hasn’t really taken a hard-line stance against these frauds, as I’ve tried to encourage, the media can hold them up as examples of the research community and say “See! We told you these truthers were bad!” These crazed individuals, such as Tony Mead and Erik Pearson, ReviewManify aka TeamWakeEmUp, Thomas Lapp, FreeRadioRevolution and his idiot pal RedPillRevolution, Odinrok, Jim Fetzer and the Veteran’s Today crew, and George Mason are all pissed at me for calling them out on the lies they've tried to perpetrate upon the truth movement."

Much of the same crew now turned against the MN Truthers via this group. Also: SANDY HOOK: Wolfgang Halbig is a LIAR (Video Presentation, Transcript + Downloads) - Brendan Hunt.com

Tracker blog: Sandy Hook Hoax Hall Of Shame

Satirizing hoaxers: Sandy Hook Hoax Hoaxers and Sandy Hook Hoaxers Are Not Bright

CW Wade's debunking site (also here) including on Wolfgang trying to demand identities of children. Sandy Hook- Facts & Research: Sandy Hook Hoax Erik Pearson and Tony Mead Continue Stalking of Victims

This is one of the hoaxer pages: Sandy Hook Hoax mainly promoting Wolfgang Halbig.

WillyLoman: Rainmaker Wolfgang Halbig – A Pure Fraud in the Classic Sense | American Everyman - March 2014

Unfortunately Tony Mead has been posting at ActivistPost (Aug 2014). Typical stuff. Another hoaxer site. They defend themselves from stalking charges in a convoluted post here.

Identity hijacking from Tony Mead's friends at InsaneMedia: Insanemedia Caught Stealing Woman’s Identity To Promote Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theory | Newtown Post-Examiner, see also “We Need To Talk About Sandy Hook” Stalker Craven S Moorehead aka Swansong aka Swan | Newtown Post-Examiner: "In a previous post on the Sandy Hook Stalkers blog, Craven S Moorehead was shown to be partnered with Katja Bush, the wife of Captain Lashon Bush of the U.S. Army Cyber Command– all three of whom our team found linked to the IP-phishing Insanemedia website. For those unfamiliar, Tony Mead’s Sandy Hook Hoax Facebook page is where Hoaxers (those who believe that the SHES massacre was a government “false flag” operation) gather to spew libelous accusations and plot strategies to harass and intimidate those personally affected by the SHES tragedy. Their stalking and predations occur on a daily basis and have been well documented by those of us who have been monitoring their activities." Seems legit.

Delusional Internet postings saying Sandy Hook was a hoax deny the pain and anguish of parents, relatives and Newtown residents - Hartford Courant by Lenny Pozner, parent of one of the dead kids. July 25 2014:

Unfortunately, there still exists a small but obsessive faction of hoaxers who are either unable or unwilling to objectively discern the hard facts from among the fleeting hunches and groundless accusations. Others are well aware of the truth but exploit the tragedy for their own aggrandizement. Regardless of their motivation, all have one thing in common: They persist in stalking and harassing the Sandy Hook parents and others intimately connected to the tragedy.

Among their most active leaders is Tony Mead, apparently a resident of Florida. For several months, this serial cyber stalker has hosted a Facebook page where he has amassed a cult following of like-minded hoaxers who ravenously feed off each other's paranoia and hatred for anyone who was affected by the Sandy Hook tragedy.

This is not a place where meaningful discussions are held or investigative inquiries are made. This is a place where strategies are plotted against grieving relatives and children's identities are stolen and exploited to fulfill a twisted fantasy.

This is exactly the network that has now turned against the Minnesota Truthers and Crowley's friends and family.

HAL-BIG IS WOLF’S GANG? | THE CONSPIRACY CRITIC (March 2014)

The persistent Glenn Canady shills for VT, Wolfgang & Fetzer etc: The Sandy Hook "Smoking Gun": Game Set Match! | Alternative

Conspiracy cats more likely to conspire? Seems like this type all right: Does it take one to know one? New research reveals conspiring conspiracy theorists — ScienceDaily

There is even a counter-harassment org set up now: HONR Network: Report Harassment, Sandy Hook Hoaxers, Conspiracy Theories

Rather than focusing their delusional grievances and accusations on authorities, the ‘hoaxers’ take the path of least resistance, harassing and emotionally abusing the victims’ family members online, on the telephone, and even in person. This practice allows them to feel as though they are doing something productive to have their voices heard, while staying safely away from the clutches of the authorities. This is a cowardly approach to having their grievances heard, and we need to ensure that they find some other method of doing so which doesn’t directly affect victims’ family members, or anyone else involved in the management of the tragedies, such as emergency service workers or those who were in any way involved. Even these individuals have found themselves the target of hoaxer hostility and harassment.

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Unfortunately until such disgusting tactics are railed out of the Truther world, we will continue to see investigations around tragedies like Sandy Hook and the Crowley family backfire horribly. To paraphrase what one of Crowley's Truther friends told me, he was damn near ready to switch into believing the official 9/11 story simply because of these appalling people. My condolences to all.

On a final note, I was able to exchange email with the late Crowley about the Oct 2013 draft cut of his film Gray State: The Rise, but I will hold those comments over for another time. There are other relevant statements, social media items and images that clearly show Crowley was going into a dark place. But this post is focused on the ugly troll crowd that wants to find another tragedy to cling to, with Sandy Hook now becoming a messy, opaque memory.

[Full research credit to Scott Wilson who originally flagged the Sandy Hook Hoaxer squad's existence on the fruitbat group, thank you.]

FawkesFail: Even more #OpCartel related shadiness: Anonymous hive instantly rejects @FawkesSecurity feds/contractors/fools posting violent threat, false flag or buffoonery

‏@AnonNCarolina2 - We spend all night informing ppl about indefinite detention only to be placed at the top of the list by some dumbfuck. #StopNDAA#Anonymous - SOURCE

Fortunately #stopNDAA at least hit a huge volume on twitter during tonight's presidential debate. So... Synchronicity in the Fog? Less than 24 hours after posting loose notes on #OpCartel & possible evidence of related Anonymous false flags / synthetic setups staged by contractors and handlers ( ECHELON GCSB military surveillance vs New Zealand & Kim Dotcom; IRC logs on Anonymous false flag attacks viewed anew; Barrett Brown setup via #OpCartel ) naturally yet another very similar likely falseflag trial balloon (or sheer dumbassery) has just been sent up. It's easy to speculate this is intended to defame &/or distract from stuff like the announced Tyler P2P leaking platform project & other peaceful modes of information dissent.

The first time I heard of FawkesSec (assuming that's the same general thing as FawkesSecurity) I heard it was a contractor setup. And now here we are. I'm not the only one who noticed a flow of BS. & also this.

/// UPDATE: @anon_prole flags: "RT @MsSamanthaMarie FB profile is the admin to FawkesSecurity group page that's listed on twitter profile https://www.facebook.com/jodie.rushforth @Anonyops" and "FYI our friend Fawkessecurity was the one threatening @twitter 4 @Anon_Central suspension https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xDRwRIzbeY … cc. @Anony_Central @Anonyops". /// Someone instantly made a semi-offensive Flash anime about this? Damn quick/// Really handy tips for watching social media on this story via @anonOccuBloc : FawkesSecurity #Twitter Analysis | http://analytics.topsy.com/?q=fawkessecurity | http://mentionmapp.com/beta/classic/index.php#user-fawkessecurity | http://www.twinitor.com/#q=fawkessecurity&lang=all&stop_spam=0&stop_porn=0 | http://trendsmap.com/topic/%40fawkessecurity |

Researchers have started looking at the FawkesSecurity facebook group &etc. See @AnonyOps, Alexa O'Brien for notes & Paul Henderson (Vizfosho) among the first to flag what was going on. @AmberLyon mentioned her sources said it's evidently fake and she'd seen similar before.

The crazy thing is that the new bomb threat video posted by @fawkesSecurity uses the same basic video file as the original #OpCartel video, which is broadly believed to have been a setup or falseflag. [see this one for the highest view count] O_o


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On the diametrically opposite side, this seems pretty representative of the genuine idea among the 'real Anonymous', having observed for some time: AnonPaste via Twitter / Anon_Prole: #ProTip: Whoever claims to ...

Anonymous is a non-violent resistance movement consisting of a global collective of autonomous individuals who adhere to these basic principles: 1) Do not attack the media. (This includes main stream, independent, and social media) 2) Do not attack critical infrastructure. (Such as communications networks, power grids - or hospitals) 3) Work for Justice and Freedom. (Especially with regards to freedom of information and the internet) ANYONE anywhere can initiate an Anonymous operation, action, or group - and so long as they adhere to these basic principles they are as much Anonymous as anyone. EVERYONE is Anonymous.

Another statement calling out @fawkessecurity:Anonymous response to false #OpV attack. - Pastebin.com via here

Ohai /b/ros,

Welcome sit sit sit... Grab some popcorn and watch this fail.

Fawkes Security whether fed or disinfo fucktard, has been 100% fail since day one.

Here is a little list of fails:

False Facebook attack fails.

Taking credit for others ddos attacks fail.

Attempting to link Project Mayhem 2012 / TYLER with physical disruption fail... (Just like NSA & DHS have attempted.)

AND NOW Linking #OpV with a bomb plot fail!

w0000000hoooo!

Anyhow, this Anon has simply gain fame by reuploading Anonymous videos onto Youtube for almost a year while creating hardly any videos which have NEVER amounted to anything.   

Channels:

https://www.youtube.com/user/FawkesS3curity

https://www.youtube.com/user/FawkesSecurity

This Anon is a cancer to the internet.

As for this Anon linking Project Mayhem 2012 to harmful and illegal activities ('Fawkes Virus', releasing viruses on 12.21.2012 and physical disruption.) we say, bring on the disinfo, we encourage it. Any disinfo you throw at us will only be fuel to the fire that will burn this world, because EVERYONE knows PM2012 will NEVER do ANYTHING ILLEGAL.

Love and Lulz,

Anonymous

&& a little earlier went around: Response to @FawkesSecurity Threat - Pastebin.com (although I don't get why these people and fawkessecurity both transpose the usual forgive/forget epithet): [line breaks edited, dang ASCII art & pre tag]


Greetings from....
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This message is to the media:
Earlier tonight, the Twitter account @FawkesSecurity posted a link to a pastebin and a YouTube video that stated the following:
"As of today 200 kilograms of composite Nitroglycerin and commercial explosives have effectively been concealed in a government building"
Let us be perfectly clear: Anonymous is not a terrorist organization. Anonymous does not use bombs. Anonymous does not condone violence
in any way.Anonymous supports justice and universal equal rights. We support peaceful protest.
At this time, we are not sure whether or not @FawkesSecurity is trying to troll, or if he's trying to discredit the name of Anonymous
in the eyes of the world. Maybe @FawkesSecurity's twitter and YouTube account was hacked. Perhaps this is the FBI's way of trying to
label Anonymous as terrorists so they can begin using the NDAA against us.
Either way, fuck whoever posted that threat.
We are Anonymous
We are legion
We do not forget
We do not forgive
Expect us

Also, who is this guy? He's sent tweets to fawkessecurity in the last few days (& bizarre emails to people) & doesn't seem too balanced. We have had more than a few like this, but something unique going on here :/

...and also check this out: on Subliminal Ridge: Doxing and the Barrett Brown Indictment. Important info about the 'restricted information' BS: In this law, the term “restricted personal information” means, "with respect to an individual, the Social Security number, the home address, home phone number, mobile phone number, personal email, or home fax number of, and identifiable to, that individual." ... yet to cite merely one recent example on Cryptome.org this kind of stuff is already not 'restricted' at all!

Regarding FBI surveillance, see new infos: Anarchists targeted after Seattle's May Day protests - Los Angeles Times // Affidavit: Feds tracked Ore. anarchists to Seattle - AP. Music in support of those hassled.

UPDATE: VizFoSho adds : "@GlobalRevLive can you put this at the bottom? @Anon_Prole @DBCOOPA @AnonyOps @AmberLyon #TittySprinkles http://pic.twitter.com/nRw88ZHj" [NSFW]

2010 Oklahoma City Bombing Conspiracy Notes for April 19; Eric Holder's Trentadue Mission; SPLC Cutout @ Elohim City; CIA, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency roles

Jesse Trentadue: …who’s testifying about Howe had reported that the plan to bomb the Murrah building four months in advance, had gone with Strassmeir and others to scout the target – the first thing the U.S. Attorney does when Graham stops testifying is ask the judge to seal the transcript, and the judge says why, and he says, "We don’t want it getting out and mucking up the McVeigh trial: the fact that here an ATF agent, an informant, had gone to Oklahoma City to scout the Murrah building to be bombed with people other than McVeigh four months in advance." And the judge granted the order, and he ordered the transcript sealed.

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Jesse Trentadue is an attorney whose brother got killed in prison, probably because the FBI thought he was the Oklahoma City Bombing's enigmatic John Doe #2. Trentadue has been seeking justice for years and has finally hit an unexpected CIA FOIA lawsuit wall in the cases.

The line is still more-or-less that McVeigh was in with a bunch of FBI / ATF informants -- making the whole thing a preventable false flag attack. Also discussed here is the role of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which may have done cutout informant operations for the FBI because they couldn't get into Elohim City as a specifically "religious" compound.

Also a white supremacist style Midwestern bank robbery ring that McVeigh apparently ran with had some undercover operatives. Roger Moore, a gun dealer and wealthy veteran of the aviation world, was "held up" by Terry Nichols apparently to provide the Kinestiks needed for the Murrah bombing.

Nichols claims McVeigh spilled the beans that one top FBI agent named Potts was controlling or handling McVeigh. The a Nichols deposition about the subject is in the file directory listed below.

Additionally the FBI has obviously tampered with the videocamera evidence and in fact the video expert from the OJ Simpson trial died of a "heart attack" after telling them the tapes were obviously erased! Between that, Trentadue's unlucky brother, and one of the bank robbers, the full spectrum of international and domestic espionage operations setting up Oklahoma City emerge.

Nichols claimed McVeigh knew Elohim City was "ATF City", i.e. obviously loaded with informants, but he wanted to go there and do it anyway with the various other agencies, almost as a kind of audience or support grid for a false flag attack in Oklahoma City -- perhaps McVeigh wanted to play it out and see if they would let him pull this off?

The new CIA angle is probably related to information about Andreas Strassmeir, the German national who was involved as an informant for possibly the German BND service as well as the FBI or ATF.

Additionally there is a good discussion of how the oh-so-wonderful Southern Poverty Law Center was running informant activities, probably operating as an FBI cutout, at Elohim City. Another element is how current US Attorney General Eric Holder was the direct lead DOJ goon for covering up Trentadue's murder.

Previously in 2007: New 1995 Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy video from BBC! GOP's Rohrabacher rebukes FBI for coverup?? | HongPong.com.

First a couple other things from Antiwar.com. Kudos to them for following this. The wall of secrecy goes right to the usual suspects.

Populism, Left and Right by Justin Raimondo -- Antiwar.com

At Least 50 Killed in Pakistan’s Weekend of Bombings -- News from Antiwar.com

Defense Spending Is Much Greater than You Think | The Beacon

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Key interview lays it out: They Are Lying to You About the Oklahoma City Bombing by Scott Horton -- Antiwar.com

Scott Horton interviews Jesse Trentadue, April 19, 2010

Interview conducted March 30, 2010. Listen to the interview. Scott’s collection of OKC audio clips here. Scott’s collection of Jesse Trentadue’s court files here.

For Antiwar.com and KAOS radio 95.9 in Austin, Texas, I’m Scott Horton. This is Antiwar Radio. And our first guest on the show today is Jesse Trentadue. He’s an attorney from Salt Lake City, Utah. Welcome to the show, Jesse, how’re you doing?

Jesse Trentadue: Thank you very much.

Scott Horton: I really appreciate you joining us here. All right, so, I guess I’ll give a short introduction to the story here, just to catch everybody up, and I’ll try to make the long story short if I can: Jesse’s brother, Kenneth Michael Trentadue, was tortured to death in federal custody in the summer of 1995. And it turns out the reason, the probable reason anyway that he was tortured to death in federal custody, was because it was a case of mistaken identity. They were trying to get him to admit that he was a guy named Richard Lee Guthrie, who was one of the John Does suspected in the Oklahoma City bombing. And Kenneth Trentadue, unfortunately, was just at the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong color hair, the wrong truck, the wrong dragon tattoo on his arm, and they were just convinced that he was Richard Guthrie, and he paid for it with his life. And a massive cover-up commenced, but they didn’t realize that they were messing with Jesse Trentadue, who happens to be a lawyer in Utah and knows how to work the system to, well, approach a remedy and justice. And so this is how Jesse’s story has become one with the story, the true story, of what happened behind the Oklahoma City bombing. And just in the last week Jesse has gotten refused by the court on some motions, some Freedom of Information Act suits that he had filed against the Central Intelligence Agency for any files that they had about the Oklahoma City bombing, and even though the files that he was suing for were denied, the judge’s decision on why he was denied was full of all kinds of extra interesting things itself. So, do I have that basically right, Jesse? Please correct me if I went off the story anywhere there, and then maybe please let’s get into what the judge’s decision actually said here.

Trentadue: Nope, I think you’re absolutely right. And one of the things your listeners should know is, I didn’t start out to solve the Oklahoma City bombing. I started out to find out who killed my brother, and as it happened, every lead I came across took me back to the bombing in Oklahoma City in April of 1995, including a message I received from Tim McVeigh shortly before he was executed. I mean they sent me a message that when he saw my brother’s picture and heard what happened to him, he said that I want you to know that essentially the FBI probably killed him because they thought he was John Doe 2, who was Richard Lee Guthrie.

[......]Horton: All right, well, so, what do we find out this week? What’s in these new documents? This judge told you, no, basically, your latest suit from Freedom of Information Act against the CIA has failed, correct?

Trentadue: It has, but, as you pointed out, [the judge] did a lot for me and he did a lot for the American people. He told us things that otherwise we would never have known. What happened is, I, in order to document the link between my brother’s murder and the bombing, and the connection to Guthrie, I filed a number of Freedom of Information Act suits. I sued the FBI. This time I sued the CIA. And it was sort of on a hunch, I said to the CIA I want all documents showing your involvement in the Oklahoma City bombing or prior knowledge of that attack. And they came back and gave me 37 blank pages, 12 documents all together, 37 blank pages, and they were stamped Secret, National Security. And they said, "Oh by the way, we have all these other documents that are so super secret we can’t even give you blank pages." So…

Trentadue: Well, I sued them and said I want those documents, and the judge, of course, they came in, and it’s the very first time anyone in my Freedom of Information suits has ever asserted national security and the exemption of producing. And that’s like, it’s a rock that you can’t get around, once the government throws up national security. And they did more than that. They said to release these documents would pose a grave threat to the security of the United States of America. And the judge’s hands are tied at that point. It’s like a shield that he can’t go beyond, behind. But what he did, and I think he did this intentionally, is he wrote his opinion to let me know and the public know that there was a foreign connection to the Oklahoma City bombing. And he goes through it and he discusses the CIA’s assistance in helping prosecute Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols. And he talks about the contacts with foreign informants, foreign witnesses. He paints a very clear picture that there was foreign involvement, and of course there has to be because the CIA is a foreign intelligence agency. By law it cannot operate within the borders of the United States unless, unless there is a foreign element here.

......Horton: Well, now, do you have any real indication as to what he’s talking about, if this is perhaps, you know, has to do with Andreas Strassmeir or whether this is, you know, along the lines of Jayna Davis and the American Enterprise Institute and trying to pin it on Middle Easterners?

Trentadue: I think it, I think it was Strassmeir, a German national and a former Army officer and counterterrorist person from the Republic of Germany. That’s my opinion. Of course he doesn’t say who, but it’s my feeling that’s the person.

.......Trentadue: No, but I think it’s significant, what he’s done. I mean, in one of the documents is talking about trying to extradite an organized crime figure from another country, that’s part of the bombing prosecution. And these things are, this is happening after, after the FBI says "We’ve caught Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols, they’re the ones who did it, end of story." So, long after they’re telling the American public that, the CIA is running down witnesses and suspects in foreign countries for the FBI and the Department of Justice. But, I think this was important for a number of reasons. It’s the first time it’s ever been documented, no one even suspected, that the CIA was involved in the Oklahoma City bombing. And, more than that, one of the things that came out is they actually had the Geospatial Intelligence Agency involved. Now I imagine very few if any of your listeners know what that is, and I certainly didn’t until the name came up in these CIA documents. And that’s the spy satellite program the CIA operates. So you have not only the CIA involved, you have the spy satellite folks involved.

Horton: Well, you know, I wonder, after all these releases, have you figured out who was running Strassmeir exactly? I mean, it seems like it would be kind of strange if the CIA was running him the whole time and then they go doing a big investigation about him after the fact, you know?

Trentadue: I think it was a joint operation between the FBI and the German government. You remember the people they targeted were the emerging neo-Nazi movement. It came to life in the United States. It was being exported back to Europe. The German government was petrified that this would take root there. And so I think it was a joint effort by the German government and the United States through the FBI to do this, infiltrate these groups. And I’ve come across a name that makes me believe that is so, because they refer to this operation as PatCon, the FBI did, P-A-T-C-O-N, which was an acronym for Patriot Conspiracy. And I think the objective was to infiltrate the militia movement, and they targeted this group, a potentially dangerous group in eastern Oklahoma who lived in a compound called Elohim City. Strassmeir worked his way into that compound as the explosives and weapons inspector, and I think he was an agent provocateur. I think he ginned those folks up to bomb the Murrah building.

Horton: Yeah, it does seem to be a question of – well and I don’t to get too far into speculation here because honestly after all these years, you know, my memory fails, and also I’m not so sure anymore about some of the things I used to think I was more sure about, but it certainly seems as though, you know, Strassmeir was not the only FBI agent or informant in on this and that there’s enough hard evidence to show, well for example, the last time we spoke we talked about how the ATF informant, Carol Howe, was reporting back on this group of, you know, terrorist plotters and even as admitted by her ATF handler under oath, she even went with them to case the building, and then the next day drove her ATF handler on the same route and said "That’s the building we cased," before the bombing ever even happened. And, so it sure is, it sure seems pretty clear to me that, you know, there was some kind of infiltration, as you said, going on there, but then I guess the question comes down to, doesn’t it, whether it was a sting that got out of control or whether this guy Strassmeir’s mission actually was to get a bombing done. I mean, after all, there was a bombing, killed 168 people. Somebody built that bomb.

Trentadue: Carol Howe reported that four months before the bomb went off. In one of the documents reported this to the ATF, she went with Strassmeir and others to scout the target. One of the documents that came out as a result of my suing the FBI was a teletype from FBI headquarters, then Director Louis Freeh, to his field office in Oklahoma City saying that two days before the bombing McVeigh had called Elohim City to speak with Strassmeir asking for more help to carry out the attack. I mean, they clearly knew, clearly knew in advance it was going to happen. Now this is something you struggle with and I struggle with, did it go south on them, was the plan to catch the people in the act, or did they really want it to happen. I – God I had to think it – as much as I hate the FBI, I hate to think it’s the latter. You have to look at what they get when there’s a terrorist attack. They get all new funding, they get the Patriot Act, they get all these other laws that take away our rights.

.......Horton: All right, now, for anybody who remembers back then who paid attention and tried to have an unbiased eye to what was going on, I think it was pretty apparent that the trials of McVeigh and Nichols both in Denver were ridiculous sham fake trials, the kind that you would expect to see in some Third World dictatorship or something. They did nothing but bring witness after witness to talk about how sad they were and then they did nothing but exclude anybody who could shed light on what actually happened there. And in fact, I have the clip here, I guess I won’t play it now, I might try to stick it on the end of the interview here, but there’s a clip from "60 Minutes" where one of McVeigh’s jurors says, "Well, you know, if he didn’t do it, I would expect for someone to come in and testify that, you know, he was with me that day or something, and since that didn’t happen, I had to go ahead and convict." In other words, the state did not prove their case at all, the national government, the U.S. Attorney’s office, did not prove their case beyond saying we’re really, really sure it was McVeigh. Now, I don’t doubt that it was McVeigh, or not very much, I guess I got a 1% doubt, but – maybe less than 1% – but certainly there is no doubt whatsoever that they refused to put on a real trial because if they put on a real trial all this stuff about the prior knowledge and Andreas Strassmeir and Carol Howe and all the rest of it would have come out. In fact, you know, if I’m going to go as far as compare it to a Third World dictatorship, let me go ahead and add the detail, they indicted Carol Howe for having a pipe in her garage and white supremacist literature consistent with her costume as undercover informant and charged her with conspiracy to bomb people so that she would be under indictment at the time of the McVeigh trial and unable to testify. And then as soon as the trial was over they dropped the charges against her, they didn’t even try to prosecute her. It was just a scheme to keep her off the stand, even though Stephen Jones, the lawyer, tried to subpoena her over and over again, obviously.

Trentadue: …who’s testifying about Howe had reported that the plan to bomb the Murrah building four months in advance, had gone with Strassmeir and others to scout the target – the first thing the U.S. Attorney does when Graham stops testifying is ask the judge to seal the transcript, and the judge says why, and he says, "We don’t want it getting out and mucking up the McVeigh trial: the fact that here an ATF agent, an informant, had gone to Oklahoma City to scout the Murrah building to be bombed with people other than McVeigh four months in advance." And the judge granted the order, and he ordered the transcript sealed.

.......Trentadue: And it gets more incredible, I mean, one of the things I have is I have affidavits from the people who knew how the surveillance system worked in the Murrah building including one from an Oklahoma City police officer who was on the scene immediately after the blast trying to find survivors and rescue them and they’re ordered out of the building and the FBI takes the cameras down. I mean…

Horton: Mmhmm. Well, and you know there were three different bomb scares after the bombing where they said "We found an undetonated bomb, everybody run." And I guess I used to just be convinced that that meant that they found an undetonated bomb, but maybe there was something else going on there. I guess JD Cash thought that there were not internal explosives but that the ATF, for example, had a tow missile up in their offices that they had to get rid of and maybe some other things. And I guess you’re saying it sounds like one of these bomb scares was about getting rid of the security cameras.

Trentadue: It was. They went in immediately and took the cameras down off the building. And why, within minutes of the blast, when people are searching frantically due to rubble trying to rescue the people and save lives, would the FBI order the rescuers out and then remove the cameras?

........Horton: All right, now, what do you have, and you know, I just, I shouldn’t make this personal, but I guess I kind of am making it personal. Every day I turn on TV and somebody from the Southern Poverty Law Center is saying that anyone who does not approve of whatever the administration is doing at any given time is basically a neo-Nazi, basically responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing. If you’re a member of the Tea Party movement, which I am certainly not and have not much in common with, but according to them, if you’re a member of the Tea Party movement, then, well, you’re basically John Doe No. 2. And, you know, it’s extra frustrating to me since John Doe 2 apparently was an undercover FBI informant and they get to go ahead and continue to, you know, beat any dissent against a Democratic [Party] controlled government over the head with this bombing. Um, but it’s always somebody from the Southern Poverty Law Center who is the guest, the expert guest, who gets to tell us how many hate groups there are in America at any given time and conflate basically anybody to the right of Rachel Maddow together with Timothy McVeigh. And so I’m kinda curious to know what evidence you have, Jesse, that the Southern Poverty Law Center was in any way involved with the neo-Nazi/cops who did the Oklahoma bombing.

Trentadue: Well it appears, and first of all, I agree with you, it’s a sad state in our country’s history where to voice an opinion means you’re attacked from one side or the other. It means you no longer discuss things as a nation or a people. That we’ve become so divided now that you’re either one side or the other or forced into one side or the other. But for the Southern Poverty Law Center, they had, and they’ve had – they had apparently informants, another level of informant, at Elohim City at the same time that Strassmeir and Carol Howe and the other government informants were there. These documents that I’ve had them produce, and not widely reported on, refer to the Southern Poverty Law Center reporting to the FBI the information it was receiving from its informants at Elohim City about the bombing.

Horton: Now do you know who those informants were?

Trentadue: I do not.

Horton: Are there any indications whether…

Trentadue: The names are blacked out. The FBI pleaded with the judge not to turn over any of the documents because they said they had guaranteed five or six people anonymity and confidentiality and it would expose them to risk of their life if their names were disclosed, and the judge said "Well, black out the names but turn the documents over." So I have documents talking about the informants, but the informants’ names are redacted or blacked out. By their own admission they’ve had five or six there that they had promised protection.

Horton: Hmm. But I guess, are there any other… because, you know, I remember JD Cash talking about this back in the day and I forget whether he said there was any other indication as to the identities of the informants that were working with Morris Dees.

Trentadue: I suspect that Strassmeir was reporting to the Southern Poverty Law Center too.

Horton: See that was something about this, right? – was Janet Reno’s order restricting, I think this is what JD Cash told me, that there was a guideline from the Justice Department that went down that said or that in some way restricted the authority of the FBI to infiltrate groups.

Trentadue: A religious compound. I talked to JD about that and he’s absolutely right. He believed that it was a cutout operation that the FBI was, that the Southern Poverty Law Center was a straw man being run by the FBI in this operation because the FBI could not, because it was a governmental entity, invade this religious compound. And Elohim City claimed to be a right-wing Christian fundamentalist compound.

Horton: Well but there’s all kinds of other evidence that any number of these guys were actually working for the FBI as either cops or like perhaps Strassmeir paid informants, people who’ve been, you know, threatened with prosecution and then turned state’s witness and, you know, should we go down the list here? I mean there’s quite a bit of FBI work going on at Elohim City. Was it all being outsourced through the SPLC?

Trentadue: I don’t know, but I think a large part may have been, at least from the documents that I’ve been given, I mean, or that the judge has ordered released. They were very active there. But I don’t think it was all run through them. The ATF for example had Carol Howe and probably others.

Gerald Posner quits over plagiarism! Olympics Indymedia repression; 1001 Club, Pilgrims Society & Le Cercle; sovereign debt crisis; Ron Paul on Tea Party corporatist/neocon vanguards

Here's a good one: Gerald Posner was a convenient weathervane for conspiracy coverups, much as Howard Fineman is a convenient weathervane for Safe Establishment Thinking. You can just look for Fineman and Posner for the exact line the mockingbirds are supposed to push. Everyone else seems to water the Koolaid down more than these guys.

Posner taunts 9-11 people, JFK people, etc., but it turns out he can't say jack about Miami sleaze without plagiarizing from the Miami Herald. Author quits Daily Beast after plagiarism claims:

MIAMI (AP) - A Miami Beach-based author of several best-selling books has resigned from his job as chief investigative reporter for the Internet news site The Daily Beast following allegations of plagiarism.

Gerald Posner announced the resignation on his own Web site this week.

Last week, a writer for Slate.com reported that there were several instances in which Posner took material from Miami Herald articles without attribution.

Posner wrote on his Web site that he "inadvertently" copied the passages into master files and that he "lost sight" that the material belonged to a published source.

Posner is the author of "Case Closed," a book about the John F. Kennedy assassination, and more recently, "Miami Babylon," a history of Miami Beach.

Hilarious! CASE CLOSED, SUCKA!!

Here are quick notes on 2010 Olympics resistance: US/Canadian joint homeland security suppression of Indymedia journalists for controversial, widely opposed 2010 Olympics | Twin Cities Indymedia

Reminding us of the Olympics' nationalist/fascist roots, as the carefully stage-managed 2010 Olympics gets underway in Vancouver, around a billion dollars have been expended on security theater measures. While Canadian authorities want to encourage people to attend the Olympics, Canadian border and customs officials (Canadian Border Services Agencies) have teamed up to suppress the movement of Indymedia and other independent media reporters into Canada.

Anti-Olympic organizers point out the International Olympic Committee is a corrupt globalist institution parallel with the WTO, IMF and other organizations that funnel public money into private hands. Police repression, budget-busting graft, and gentrification/displacement are the three major features of the Olympics wherever they go, as noted by sports writer Dave Zirin (EdgeofSports.com) interviewed on Submedia.tv. After hundreds of millions of dollars in cost overruns leading to massive austerity measures including teacher layoffs in Vancouver, a poll estimated forty percent of BC residents support anti-Olympic protests. (Zirin in SI: People dreading Games)

The deeply corrupt US Department of Homeland Security has also been hassling indy reporters denied entry overland into Canada. Indy journalists John Weston Osburn (Interview), Dawn Zuppelli and Ted Forsyth from Rochester NY IMC, and Martin Macias Jr. have all been harassed. Osburn was refused entry into Canada and abused by DHS; Macias was deported, then treated abusively by the DHS lunatics controlling entry on the Canadian border.

There has been plenty of fodder for independent journalists to cover, as US & Canadian authorities gear up yet another 'live exercise' style mega-security psychological operation, featuring 'Medium' Range Acoustic Device sound cannon (MRAD, similar to the G20 LRAD), and the usual inept police attempts at false-flag provocateur and infiltration operations.

More: Live portal: 2010.mediacoop.ca | No2010.com | Vancouver Media Co-op | Submedia.TV | Committee to Protect Bloggers | Student Activism and the Olympics | OlympicResistance.net: About | Crossing the Border into Canada | Schedule | Censorship Gallery - 2010 Legal Observer Program | CJFE Olympic Watch.

The Vancouver Integrated Security Unit has been the highest-profile police unit hassling people, and apparently has refused to publicly rule out deploying agent provocateurs. Dec. 3: ORN Responds to Police Allegations of Undercover Cop | Vancouver Sun: Jamie Graham disclosed Olympic undercover operation.

More there. Also: Canadian customs refuse to disclose laptop border search policy @ boingboing.

Speaking of hit pieces, see Tea Party Movement Is Full of Conspiracy Theories - Newsweek.com

Tea Party notes: Ron Paul Warns Of Neo-Con Takeover Of Tea Party Movement

Ferguson and Faber: Sovereign Debt Crisis Will Spread World-Wide, U.S. Debt Is Unsafe. Much more with PIIGS to watch, plz look thru ZeroHedge for MOAR!

Neat notes from the cable TV lobbyist industrial complex: The Lobbying-Media Complex @ The Nation.

Slumburbia - Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com

There was a scam-tastic proposal for 'volatility insurance' which of course would have to be government-backstopped in order to 'pay'. Citi's Financial Crisis Derivatives Should Be Banished From Earth.

Tech side: 20 Great Project Management Tools

Hey that's it for now... Let's kick... and push... and coast. [MosDef]

BONUS POINTS FOR THE 1001 CLUB / WORLD WILDLIFE FUND ABSURD EUROTRASH CONSPIRACY COMPLEX!!!11!

For all the LOLS: meet 1001 Club, Pilgrims Society & Le Cercle!!!

Everyone will be just delighted to learn about the Pilgrims Society and the 1001 Club. These are each worth their own posts, as they are the largest quasi-European elite conspiracy circles that [almost] no one's ever heard of! What fun! :-)

The Institute for the Study of Globalization and Covert Politics briefly went offline and it's a fantastic damn site so I'm glad it's back! Amazing files, precisely done, on the huge Belgian pedophile conspiracy (Beyond Dutroux) as well as three critical European-oriented extremely low-profile elite groups -- with very Bilderberg-like stylings.

The 1001 Club is full of Iran-Contra bankers [Yeaa Robert Vesco!], Nazi barons [Thyssen] and Bin Ladens. It's fricking awesome, the secret uber sketchy inner sanctum for a ton of nasty people. And its merely Prince Bernhard's inner ring for the World Wildlife Fund, which turns out to be a globalist front to seize control of vast strategic resources, especially in Africa. Kind of a superstructure for the international elite to stage repression campaigns, a totally greenwashed front for DeBeers / neo-Rhodesian mercenaries and resource extraction families. Good times! Have a LOL with 1001 Club membership list - Institute for the Study of Globalization and Covert Politics

Le Cercle - Institute for the Study of Globalization and Covert Politics - "Formed in the Fifties... One of the most influential, secretive, and, it goes without saying, exclusive political clubs in the West... One member contacted by this newspaper said he could not talk about it "even off, off the record". Another simply put the phone down... The source of its funding is a mystery..."

Pilgrims Society - Institute for the Study of Globalization and Covert Politics - conservative social core of the Anglo-American establishment. Including! Pilgrims Society membership list - June 29, 1997, The Independent, 'Aitken dropped by the Right's secret club', one of the very few mainstream reports on Le Cercle.

MOAR: PDF ROGUE AGENTS: The Cercle Pinay complex 1951 - 1991

Well that's all for now -- to grab a loosely appropriate Hunter Thompson quote: "It Never Got Weird Enough For Me."

Controlling 9/11 "crippled epistemology" via fake 'CIA' Internet Conspiracy Theories, COINTELPRO & "cognitive infiltration of extremist groups": Huge jackass/Obama Info Czar Cass Sunstein favors infiltrating conspiracy groups, planting disinfo, diversions

140110top2.jpg"....we will suggest below that if the hard core arises for certain identifiable reasons, it can be broken up or at least muted by government action." .... "We suggest a role for government efforts, and agents, in introducing such diversity.  Government agents (and their allies) might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action."

SSRN-Conspiracy Theories by Cass Sunstein, Adrian Vermeule

This is one hell of a chestnut. It seems obvious, in retrospect, the best way to conceal the truth of establishment shady business and institutionalized crime is to mix in a ton of bullshit in order to turn all the skeptics and inquirers against each other. Only now it's Obama's dang 'information czar' pitching the strategy!

Interestingly, the more I broaden my sources, the more I appreciate the broad spectrum of people that have cancelled their subscriptions to Establishment Bollox and the Lies of the Mighty Wurlitzer. It's amazing how so many features of Establishment Reality are so widely loathed from within so many different worldviews.

This important fact is what people like Cass Sunstein don't understand. Like faux Establishment 'Centrists', they believe that ontological truth, or even the 'optimal' policy outcome, is like @ the 50% mark between where the dialectical left & right goalposts are placed.

It's like Howard Fineman - accurately dubbed the Weathervane because you only have to look which way he's pointing to determine what reassuring centrist reality is today's hot item. Howard Fineman is the precise opposite of a 'conspiracy theorist' in Sunstein's world.

The Establishment's Hegelian social control techniques are obvious: just set the left and right goalposts, stir and repeat. Problem-reaction-solution. If one can influence both the left and right goalposts in the great false dichotomy, it makes the product of "centrists" far more acceptable. Everything floating around outside this parlor game is the prima materia of 'conspiracy' that the State should attack professionally, Sunstein says!

Sunstein's tidy worldview brushes over the complex role of deceptive bullshit operatives around there, laying the groundwork for stupid establishment narratives. For example, what are we to make of the ever-shady Gerald Posner, spoonfed the FBI goodies on China? Or Adam Ciralski, helping Blackwater's Erik Prince perpetrate some classic exposure-threatening graymail about U.S. covert ops. Are these merely products of rotten epistomology? [PD Scott with a solid takedown of Posner - Scott's the real deal with The War Conspiracy and more here.]

*****

Anyhow Cass Sunstein was appointed by President Obama as some kind of info czar. Interestingly he wrote a paper about how to manipulate conspiracy theorists by attempting to throw their groups off the Hegelian deep end, thus opening an opportunity for defamatory information warfare. Fascinating stuff, and it's got Alex Jones incensed!!

More links, then some snippets: Obama Information Czar Calls For Banning Free Speech, Sunstein’s Paper Provides More Evidence COLINTELPRO Still Operational, etc.

This whole thing reminds me of how the JFK conspiracy scene is managed as "A Story/B Story" wherein there are two alternate, mutually irreconcilable narratives. Dribs and drabs of facts supporting A and B (roughly, CIA/Mafia and Lone Gunman, usually) can be offered and safely paddle around on the History Channel.

Let us share a few choice links about how the CIA type control system AKA the Intelligence Power controls the World of Conspiracy. This is good stuff -- this is exactly how Mama Cass wants the world of conspiracies organized.

For The Win: Fintan Dunne called the Sunstein approach years ago!

My favorite all-in-one shotgun approach comes from Fintan Dunne of BreakForNews.com: BreakForNews.com : The CIA's Internet Fakes


The CIA Fakes is a catchphrase term to describe a group which includes:

-- Covert Operatives of the CIA, NSA and DIA; of the U.S. Corporate/Military Industrial Complex; of the intelligence services of U.K. Spain, France Holland, Germany, and Russia.
-- Political Agents working within the Democratic Party, Republican Party, Democratic Black Caucus, Green Party, and Patriot Movement.
--
Politicians in the U.S., U.K. Spain, France, Germany and Russia --who pose as 9/11 skeptics.
-- Media, including
Mainstream, Alternative Media and Internet broadcasting media who either front for, cooperate with, or are directly employed by intelligence services mentioned above.

The primary objectives of the CIA FAKES are:

-- To leverage the Fakes into position as the leadership/spokespersons
    for the 9/11 skeptics movement.
-- To splinter and divide that movement.
-- To promote lame, tame and/or booby-trapped questions about 9/11.
-- To be sufficiently over-the-top as to prevent the 9/11 issue getting
    any traction in the media or left-wing.
-- To ensure that the movement would not have a politically-active
    leadership capable of turning it into an effective political lobby campaign.

The questions about 9/11 were bound to be asked, the important
aspect for the perpetrators was and is ...by whom?

Bravo, Mr. Dunne, Bravo. You scored big on this one... A general roundup to be found @ The Next Level :: View topic - Uncovered: The Rat's Nest of 9/11 of effective gatekeepers -- and its true that his set of people, in aggregate, has the 9/11 conspiracy topic cornered and setup a certain way.
More along these lines: 9/11, 7/7 & the War on Freedom :: View topic - The Planned Demolition of Alex Jones, The COUP had foreknowledge of 9-11 (YES!), the criticism about Sibel Edmonds, Scheuer, Ray McGovern, etc: WagNews: Our Good Friends in the CIA - NOT !, (i.e "The alternative media is ridden with ex-FBI, ex-CIA, ex-NSA, ex-MI5 people who are on "our side". It's all total BS.") WagNews: Alex Jones, Hopsicker & the 9/11 CIA Fakes -Audio.

This one is suddenly salient: WagNews: Ellsberg, Sibel Edmonds & The Secret Team:

WHAT FLAVOR CONSPIRACY YOU WANT?

One big corner of that overall 9/11 picture is formed by four disparate-seeming individuals: a veteran whistleblower, an attractive novice whistleblower, a campaigning journalist and a reputed lingerie model; jigsaw peices called Ellsberg, Edmonds, Hopsicker and Keller. Ellsberg supports Edmonds, confirmed by Hopsicker --backed by eyewitness accounts from Keller. But they're all telling different flavors of the same story.

To specify which story that is, let's take a look at the popular tales of 9/11. The notorious main division is between LIHOP and MIHOP. But it's much more detailed than that. Explanations come in a full range of flavors --starting with the official story:

A. Official story:
CIA/FBI were incompetent; Bush and/or Clinton were complacent.
B. Official Lame Conspiracy:
CIA/FBI were incompetent; Bush/Cheney maybe let it happen; Israelis Knew.
C. Official LIHOP Conspiracy:
CIA/FBI were compromised; Bush/Cheney did let it happen; Israelis Helped.
D. Official LIHOP Wild Conspiracy:
CIA/FBI compromised; Bush/Cheney/Neocons let it happen; Israelis Did It.
E. Official LIHOP Tinfoil Conspiracy:
Israelis/Neocons/Bush/Cheney Did It; CIA/FBI looked the other way.
F. Official MIHOP 'Serious' Conspiracy:
Israelis/Neocons/CIA/FBI/Bush/Cheney/Military-Industrial-Complex Did It.
G. Official Loony Conspiracies:
Rothschilds and/or Rockefellers and/or CFR and/or Bildebergers did it.
Globalists who want to run everything in a World Government did it.
Jews and Jewish bankers -who already run everything- did it.
Satanists, Opus Dei or Reptilians did it.
It's a terrific variety of theories.
It plays out something like this:
  • The mainstream media push version A; hint at B; sneer at G.
  • The controlled right/intellectual media pushes version B.
  • The controlled left/intellectual media pushes version C.
  • The 'moderate' Fake internet sites push versions C and D.
  • The 'softcore' Fake internet sites push versions D and E.
  • The 'independent' Fake internet sites push version F.
  • The 'loony' Fake interent sites push variations of version G.
But every single one, from A to G are OFFICIAL versions, sanctioned and promoted by the 9/11 intelligence coverup operation and their CIA Fakes network. They have a flavor for every market.

The creation of this multiplicity of explanations is a core element of the coverup. Left to their own devices, people on the Internet might have figured out the truth themselves. But with this circus in action, there is always plenty of distraction and lots of division in opinion.

The intelligence coverup is not trying to stop 9/11 conspiracy theories on the internet. It's creating them. Then playing off supporters of the different theories against each other. That's a classic Cointelpro-style tactic.

***********More from good Ol L Fletcher Prouty on CIA / Ellsberg limited hangout type conspiracy control!
Let's get to the brand-new material from the White House info czar, it's wild!!...... Conspiracy Theories by Cass Sunstein & Adrian Vermeule:

Our main though far from exclusive focus – our running example – involves

conspiracy theories relating to terrorism, especially theories that arise from and post-date

the 9/11 attacks. These theories exist within the United States and, even more virulently,

in foreign countries, especially Muslim countries. The existence of both domestic and

foreign conspiracy theories, we suggest, is no trivial matter, posing real risks to the

government’s antiterrorism policies, whatever the latter may be. Terrorism-related

theories are thus a crucial testing ground for the significance, causes, and policy

implications of widespread conspiracy theorizing. As we shall see, an understanding of

conspiracy theories has broad implications for the spread of information and beliefs;

many erroneous judgments are a product of the same forces that produce conspiracy

theories, and if we are able to see how to counteract such theories, we will have some

clues about how to correct widespread errors more generally.

Part I explores some definitional issues and lays out some of the mechanisms that

produce conspiracy theories and theorists. We begin by discussing different

understandings of the nature of conspiracy theories and different accounts of the kinds of

errors made by those who hold them. Our primary claim is that conspiracy theories

typically stem not from irrationality or mental illness of any kind but from a “crippled

epistemology,” in the form of a sharply limited number of (relevant) informational

sources. Those who hold conspiracy theories do so because of what they read and hear. In

that sense, acceptance of such theories is not irrational from the standpoint of those who

adhere to them. There is a close connection, we suggest, between our claim on this count

and the empirical association between terrorist behavior and an absence of civil rights

and civil liberties.10 When civil rights and civil liberties are absent, people lack multiple

information sources, and they are more likely to accept conspiracy theories.

Part II discusses government responses and legal issues, in light of the discussion

in Part I. We address several dilemmas of governmental response to conspiracy theories,

such as the question whether it is better to rebut such theories, at the risk of legitimating

them, or to ignore them, at the risk of leaving them unrebutted. Conspiracy theories turn

out to be especially hard to undermine or dislodge; they have a self-sealing quality,

rendering them particularly immune to challenge. We suggest several policy responses

that can dampen the supply of conspiracy theorizing, in part by introducing diverse

viewpoints and new factual assumptions into the hard-core groups that produce such

theories. Our principal claim here involves the potential value of cognitive infiltration of

extremist groups, designed to introduce informational diversity into such groups and to

expose indefensible conspiracy theories as such.

Tell me this, Sunstein: how does all that drug money get through the Federal Reserve System? Everyone has been so eager to confront that 'conspiracy theory,' haven't they?

Blah blah blah... let's get to the good stuff: [Below the fold - favorite chunks of much of the crazy essay]

Yr humble correspondent reports back on G20 with Alex Jones!

Alright so I've been out in Pittsburgh helping cover the G20 conference -- things got pretty hairy out here. We've hunkered down at the Pittsburgh Indymedia Center (http://indypgh.org) and the crew has turned out a ton of videos of police brutality that have gone viral over Internets!

I just did a quick couple segments on the Alex Jones show about the situation here and it went really well. I haven't used this site to put the material up because we've been using YouTube and Indypgh.org almost exclusively, but I will add some videos when I get a few minutes.

Thanks to Infowars people for stopping by -- if you are looking around for things to check out you may enjoy the Sibel Edmonds coverage or other materials. The motto has been Information Operations, Spinstorms and Latent Contradictions -- on a good day that's what it's all about.

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